"Free Boat" C22 Need Advice (Long Post)
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:10 pm
Hi All,
I have been reading the forum for a few days, and I am impressed with the community you all have here for these sailboats!
A friend asked for my advice on wether or not to accept a "Free" Chrysler 22, it has been sitting for 10 years. The owner bought it from an auction to flip it, and the trailer broke on the way in, it has sat there since. As you well know, there is no such thing as a free boat. Accepting this, we have budgeted $1,000 to get us sailing and having fun. Not going for a restoration here, but I need your help so we can decide if we can do this on a budget.
I am somewhat new to sailing, I keep a 1975 Flying Scot on a lake nearby with a great racing fleet. There is also a strong fleet of small keel boats called Corinthians at the same lake. Most boats are in davits or board pads, but there is a small mooring field that we could use at little to no cost.
I went and checked out the boat today and I have posted pictures here.
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0V5yeZFhamy3D
The trailer needs some professional welding/repair work, and we are working on getting a quote for that. Fortunately it is at an air field and there is a lot of equipment around we can borrow to get the boat out of there, including some large rolling A-frames that we can use to hold up the boat to get the trailer out.
There was a shoddy repair in the cockpit step with plywood through bolting to the winch mount. That worries me, it looks like a significant water leaking issue and would like to correct this, but not sure how it could be done without extensive re-glassing. Thoughts?
Genoa traveler rails and various cleats seem to have been added in the cabin roof, they don't seem to be leaking, but would like to re-seat them with some silicone. There has been some leaking on the starboard side and the seat back fiberglass is delaminated, if you look closely you can see the bulging in the photos, would probably leave that alone. I would suspect the windows are the problem here, I will want to re-seat them as well. (Shoutout to Astrorad2000's YouTube channel - Thank you Sir!)
The tiller is completely delaminated and will need to be replaced. The collar that attaches the tiller to the rudder post is cracked in half at the collar and will need to be replaced. Is this something I can find? The diameter needed for the rudder post measures 1.5"
Not pictured are 5 sails in good condition. 1 spinnaker, 1 main and 3 genoas. (1 might be a jib?) I only looked a the main, the 110 and an unmarked front sail that looked like a genoa, the other bag said 150 so I assumed it was in similar condition and was a 150 genoa. Seems like great shape there.
Topside paint looks pretty rough. Will see where we get with a power washing. The sliding hatch feels a little flimsy but seems fine. Hatch wall boards seem weathered but adequate. Hatch top wooden rails probably need to be replaced. Will I have to make new ones, or is there a compatible part here?
Cushions will need to be re-covered. Fortunately I can use a sewing machine, unfortunately I don't have the old ones to use as templates, but doesn't seem too hard. Anyone ever made these without zippers? Maybe just using an overlap at one end.
There is no outboard, don't plan on getting one. Would try to go without, but then would tend towards a battery operated trolling motor with a solar panel to charge it. I don't think I will really need to motor very much, and the other keel boats at our lake don't typically have them.
All the lines seem shot, deck winches need some help, mast base seems like its modified with turning blocks and cleats. Boom is accounted for but not pictured. Need to find a new table post, suggestions welcome here. One of the spreader bars is sagging, but probably isn't damaged badly.
Keel pin seems ok, it seems like it isn't corroded and has a lot of silicone around the bolts inside the boat. I did not crawl underneath, and am not an expert here. Rudder swings freely and does not wiggle, did not test raising and lowering.
Can we lower the mast safely with these old lines?
How can I inspect the flotation foam? There wasn't any standing water in the boat but there was a wet webbing strap in the floor under the hatch door, floor underneath seems solid though.
There is a threaded steel pipe capped at a flange fitting in the wall to the keel trunk, above and aft of the keel pin. What is that?
Is staying on budget possible?
Other thoughts?
Thanks!
Porter
I have been reading the forum for a few days, and I am impressed with the community you all have here for these sailboats!
A friend asked for my advice on wether or not to accept a "Free" Chrysler 22, it has been sitting for 10 years. The owner bought it from an auction to flip it, and the trailer broke on the way in, it has sat there since. As you well know, there is no such thing as a free boat. Accepting this, we have budgeted $1,000 to get us sailing and having fun. Not going for a restoration here, but I need your help so we can decide if we can do this on a budget.
I am somewhat new to sailing, I keep a 1975 Flying Scot on a lake nearby with a great racing fleet. There is also a strong fleet of small keel boats called Corinthians at the same lake. Most boats are in davits or board pads, but there is a small mooring field that we could use at little to no cost.
I went and checked out the boat today and I have posted pictures here.
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0V5yeZFhamy3D
The trailer needs some professional welding/repair work, and we are working on getting a quote for that. Fortunately it is at an air field and there is a lot of equipment around we can borrow to get the boat out of there, including some large rolling A-frames that we can use to hold up the boat to get the trailer out.
There was a shoddy repair in the cockpit step with plywood through bolting to the winch mount. That worries me, it looks like a significant water leaking issue and would like to correct this, but not sure how it could be done without extensive re-glassing. Thoughts?
Genoa traveler rails and various cleats seem to have been added in the cabin roof, they don't seem to be leaking, but would like to re-seat them with some silicone. There has been some leaking on the starboard side and the seat back fiberglass is delaminated, if you look closely you can see the bulging in the photos, would probably leave that alone. I would suspect the windows are the problem here, I will want to re-seat them as well. (Shoutout to Astrorad2000's YouTube channel - Thank you Sir!)
The tiller is completely delaminated and will need to be replaced. The collar that attaches the tiller to the rudder post is cracked in half at the collar and will need to be replaced. Is this something I can find? The diameter needed for the rudder post measures 1.5"
Not pictured are 5 sails in good condition. 1 spinnaker, 1 main and 3 genoas. (1 might be a jib?) I only looked a the main, the 110 and an unmarked front sail that looked like a genoa, the other bag said 150 so I assumed it was in similar condition and was a 150 genoa. Seems like great shape there.
Topside paint looks pretty rough. Will see where we get with a power washing. The sliding hatch feels a little flimsy but seems fine. Hatch wall boards seem weathered but adequate. Hatch top wooden rails probably need to be replaced. Will I have to make new ones, or is there a compatible part here?
Cushions will need to be re-covered. Fortunately I can use a sewing machine, unfortunately I don't have the old ones to use as templates, but doesn't seem too hard. Anyone ever made these without zippers? Maybe just using an overlap at one end.
There is no outboard, don't plan on getting one. Would try to go without, but then would tend towards a battery operated trolling motor with a solar panel to charge it. I don't think I will really need to motor very much, and the other keel boats at our lake don't typically have them.
All the lines seem shot, deck winches need some help, mast base seems like its modified with turning blocks and cleats. Boom is accounted for but not pictured. Need to find a new table post, suggestions welcome here. One of the spreader bars is sagging, but probably isn't damaged badly.
Keel pin seems ok, it seems like it isn't corroded and has a lot of silicone around the bolts inside the boat. I did not crawl underneath, and am not an expert here. Rudder swings freely and does not wiggle, did not test raising and lowering.
Can we lower the mast safely with these old lines?
How can I inspect the flotation foam? There wasn't any standing water in the boat but there was a wet webbing strap in the floor under the hatch door, floor underneath seems solid though.
There is a threaded steel pipe capped at a flange fitting in the wall to the keel trunk, above and aft of the keel pin. What is that?
Is staying on budget possible?
Other thoughts?
Thanks!
Porter