standing rigging on C22...
standing rigging on C22...
I haven't inspected the standing rigging on my C22 yet, but I was wondering if anybody has replaced theirs? I really don't know if mine is original or not. I am kind of worried about rigging failure. I really do not have any idea about how much usage this boat has seen.
Bill
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I am not sure about this but I believe that it is pretty difficult to really be sure that your standing rigging is ok...I think that stainless can catastrophically fail without showing any outward signs due to hidden metal fatigue...anyone know more about this??
I suppose the prudent thing to do is invest the money ( $600-$800 probably) to have some piece of mind when you don't have a clue as to how old the rigging is or what kind of use that it has seen.
I suppose the prudent thing to do is invest the money ( $600-$800 probably) to have some piece of mind when you don't have a clue as to how old the rigging is or what kind of use that it has seen.
Bill
I had a complete set of standing rigging made for a Starboard Yachts Slipper 17 just about 6 years ago using 3/16 cable and it ran about $145.00. I was really surprised how good of a value it was. BTW, use a rag draped over the cable and save the skin.
1977 Chrysler 22
Ground to windward is dearly bought, but easly spent.
Ground to windward is dearly bought, but easly spent.
Hey Jim-
Was that stainless or galvanized?
Was that stainless or galvanized?
Mark
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
I've been replacing mine a bit at a time, starting with the headstay. Last I did were the aft lowers, which I ordered with aircraft fork swaged on the top and then cut to length and installed a Hayn HiMod fitting at the bottom. I also replaced the split bridle portion of the backstay. Next on the list are the uppers.
Biggest problem is not necessarily the wire, but the fittings. Crevice corrosion happens, and it's really hard to see flaws. I barely know enough to be dangerous, but have inspected the various forks with magnifying glass and bright lights. Haven't played with using dye yet.
None of my stays had any meathooks, although a couple did have some permanent bends. They straightened out fine under tension, but I sail Windward way too hard to take many hardware risks.
I am thinking that I'll check the old stays thoroughly, and may replace the fittings with more of the HiMods and use them to update the rigging on the Bristol. Not as good as new, but newer than what's installed and replacing what I perceive to be the most vulnerable components (the end fittings)
Biggest problem is not necessarily the wire, but the fittings. Crevice corrosion happens, and it's really hard to see flaws. I barely know enough to be dangerous, but have inspected the various forks with magnifying glass and bright lights. Haven't played with using dye yet.
None of my stays had any meathooks, although a couple did have some permanent bends. They straightened out fine under tension, but I sail Windward way too hard to take many hardware risks.
I am thinking that I'll check the old stays thoroughly, and may replace the fittings with more of the HiMods and use them to update the rigging on the Bristol. Not as good as new, but newer than what's installed and replacing what I perceive to be the most vulnerable components (the end fittings)
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Jeff
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Here's a good article for your consideration.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/racing-ar ... asics.html
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/racing-ar ... asics.html
1977 C22: Dog House
Thanks Jim!
Mark
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
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I tend to agree with you. Periodic inspections go a long way. I think making sure that you haven't lost a little retaining clip here or there is probably the most pressing issue, especially in a fresh water environment. There are thousands of Catalina 22's out there with rigging that feels like dental floss in comparison, and I've never heard of a rigging failure on one.
1977 C22: Dog House
Bill-
What is the dye method that you speak of? Can you repost?
Thanks!
Mark
What is the dye method that you speak of? Can you repost?
Thanks!
Mark
Mark
http://s1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc4 ... ew%20C-22/
1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
http://s1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc4 ... ew%20C-22/
1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
Looks interesting, I'll give it a try too. Thanks Bill!
Mark
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
http://s1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc4 ... ew%20C-22/
1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
LIQUIED DYE PENETRANT INSPECTION > SPOTCHECK
This method is widley used in the welding industry, used the same as described above.
simply clean the area that you want to test for cracks...spray on some dye, wait a few minutes, then spray your cleaner on a rag and wipe off the dye, let dry and spray on the developer...if there is the slightest crack it will bleed .
Be sure not to spray cleaner onto the surface being tested once you have applied the dye...you dont want to wash it out of any cracks resulting in a false reading..wipe it off with a rag.
I have attached a link, but you should be able to get these items at any welding supply shop
LIQUIED DYE PENETRANT INSPECTION > SPOTCHECK
SKL-4C Water Based Penetrant
SKD-S2 Non-Chlorinated Developer
SKC-S Non-Chlorinated Cleaner/Remover
http://www.ndtsupplies.com/spma.html
This method is widley used in the welding industry, used the same as described above.
simply clean the area that you want to test for cracks...spray on some dye, wait a few minutes, then spray your cleaner on a rag and wipe off the dye, let dry and spray on the developer...if there is the slightest crack it will bleed .
Be sure not to spray cleaner onto the surface being tested once you have applied the dye...you dont want to wash it out of any cracks resulting in a false reading..wipe it off with a rag.
I have attached a link, but you should be able to get these items at any welding supply shop
LIQUIED DYE PENETRANT INSPECTION > SPOTCHECK
SKL-4C Water Based Penetrant
SKD-S2 Non-Chlorinated Developer
SKC-S Non-Chlorinated Cleaner/Remover
http://www.ndtsupplies.com/spma.html
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1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
http://s1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc4 ... ew%20C-22/
1975 C-22 currently named Stardust (soon to be "Angela Marie")
New rigging
Well I finally bit the bullet and ordered all new standing rigging, it started with just some (there was some unwinding and failure) and then from talking to a few people I guessed that it would be a good investment to replace 35 year old rigging... I eventually went with Seco South, very friendly and I cannot believe the price, I paid 350 bucks for all of the rigging including new turnbuckles, they even sent me some new line and a package of cotter pins! Hats off to Jean at Secosouth
New un-boxing!
Old Adjusters
New Ends
http://www.secosouth.com/mm5/merchant.m ... _Code=SECO
New un-boxing!
Old Adjusters
New Ends
http://www.secosouth.com/mm5/merchant.m ... _Code=SECO
1976 - C22
"AnneMarie"
"AnneMarie"
oooh! shiny! nice!!
been wondering about mine too. I've got some broken strands right at the edge of one of the swaged forks on a lower stay. I look up at it after each gust . . . hoping it's still holding!!
has anyone ever had rigging fail? I've never had it happen personally, but have seen it on others, funny though, only to people that are real careless when rigging, ie, twists in the stays as they raise the mast!!
been wondering about mine too. I've got some broken strands right at the edge of one of the swaged forks on a lower stay. I look up at it after each gust . . . hoping it's still holding!!
has anyone ever had rigging fail? I've never had it happen personally, but have seen it on others, funny though, only to people that are real careless when rigging, ie, twists in the stays as they raise the mast!!
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on my setup (I believe that it is OEM) all of the aircraft forks are the same size (5) the cotter pin hole diam is 1/4", the pin is slightly smaller.trev wrote:Mariner,
Can you tell me the pin size of the fork for the back stay? looks like it is different for the single wire and the split wires.
Thanks
the photos below are from the OEM.
The back stay had a rigging adjuster, the new ones I had made now have a turnbuckle. (rigging adjusters are a pain to adjust)
1976 - C22
"AnneMarie"
"AnneMarie"
Hey Mariner...how is the backstay setup now in the new rigging? One turnbuckle in the main cable above the split or one or two turnbuckles in the wires below the split? What was your method for measuring your old rigging?
I really think I will order from Seco also if you think that the quality is good.
I will definitely be more comfortable with all new standing rigging.
I really think I will order from Seco also if you think that the quality is good.
I will definitely be more comfortable with all new standing rigging.
Bill
Bill, I have one turnbuckle a I've the split. Secosouth instructed me to send all of the rigging in just like I took it off of the boat, they did the measure from there. I guess thats how they ensure the fit. The quality is very good from what I can see, and the price can not be beat. From talking to them, they are the oem provider fir rigging for several manufacturers and have been around for a long time. I'm planning on having them build my lifelines as soon as I'm ready.
Tony
Tony
1976 - C22
"AnneMarie"
"AnneMarie"