Im relatively new to sailing and acquired a 1980 Chrysler Sandpiper this year.
While sailing in fairly heavy winds I have heeled until the water is just over the side rails but with the keel down it almost seems that no matter how heavy the wind is the boat remains stable. I suspect that there would be a point where a strong enough gust would at least throw everyone in water before the boat rights itself.
Here is a little video from a few weeks ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBE2gPabsv0
Is it possible to tip a 22 foot Chrysler all the way over?
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Mario G
Its a sailboat its suppose to tip
It was pretty funny the first time we went out. It was windy and my uncle who got my brother and I into sailing put the sails all the way out and the boat heeled all the way up over the rail and my uncle was like "You guys wanted to sail didnt you?". We were visibly nervous and ready to pull the ropes and dump the windMario G wrote:Welcome and what a great video.
I have what I call washed the windows on my 75 C-22 a few times and it never seemed to do better then me and the crew. I know its slower to run the rail in the water but it sure is fun.
Great video!
Obviously, we must use caution in our discussion, as we do not want to be cast down to the bottom via the venerable power of the mighty Poseidon. That said, all of us who have sailed the 22 are aware of it's initial tenderness, then she seems to dig her feet in and stay where she's put. I have gone out a few times now with too much sail up (full main, 150 genny in 25 gusts), and she digs in well. I was a bit nervous because the boat that I did most of my learning on was not as tender for that first 15-20 degrees. She holds really well though. The common theory (with most any decent keel boat) is that once you get to a certain degree of heel, she'll spill the wind, round up, and right herself. Even with the keel up, she should self right. If you are sailing on a reach or upwind, she'll be a lot more tender with the blade up, but she should still self right. Big waves are more of a worry than knockovers from the wind. I'm an inland lake guy, so I don't really have those worries most of the time. Cheers!
Obviously, we must use caution in our discussion, as we do not want to be cast down to the bottom via the venerable power of the mighty Poseidon. That said, all of us who have sailed the 22 are aware of it's initial tenderness, then she seems to dig her feet in and stay where she's put. I have gone out a few times now with too much sail up (full main, 150 genny in 25 gusts), and she digs in well. I was a bit nervous because the boat that I did most of my learning on was not as tender for that first 15-20 degrees. She holds really well though. The common theory (with most any decent keel boat) is that once you get to a certain degree of heel, she'll spill the wind, round up, and right herself. Even with the keel up, she should self right. If you are sailing on a reach or upwind, she'll be a lot more tender with the blade up, but she should still self right. Big waves are more of a worry than knockovers from the wind. I'm an inland lake guy, so I don't really have those worries most of the time. Cheers!
1977 C22: Dog House
Welcome to the group heekee 
We've been caught in crazy gusts in an area we call "the triangle" on our lake... we were blown over and spun around so fast it was spooky. A lot of sail up and the gusts were coming from all different directions, we were "thinking" of putting in a reef and a smaller or no foresail when we got tipped.
We buried the windows and water came over the starboard side, flooded the cockpit and spilled over and down below
It took a few minutes to get things gathered up and recover a floaty cushion that washed overboard, but we had no problem staying inside the boat. It righted itself right away, the cockpit drained in less than a minute, and Pam cleaned up the water below pretty quick with a manual pump.
Ya think we woulda learned, but it happened to us twice more that summer
Each time was a cold front with strong winds moving into our area, and we were in that same part of the lake where weird things happen...
So it seems to me anyway and to answer your question, that as long as the keel stays on,, it won't go all the way over anyway. There is 850 lbs of steel under the boat trying to make up for your mistakes It was good for Pam to see that we could recover from that type of occurance, and by the third time she would roll her eyes and then go below to clean up...
Billy
We've been caught in crazy gusts in an area we call "the triangle" on our lake... we were blown over and spun around so fast it was spooky. A lot of sail up and the gusts were coming from all different directions, we were "thinking" of putting in a reef and a smaller or no foresail when we got tipped.
We buried the windows and water came over the starboard side, flooded the cockpit and spilled over and down below
It took a few minutes to get things gathered up and recover a floaty cushion that washed overboard, but we had no problem staying inside the boat. It righted itself right away, the cockpit drained in less than a minute, and Pam cleaned up the water below pretty quick with a manual pump.
Ya think we woulda learned, but it happened to us twice more that summer
Each time was a cold front with strong winds moving into our area, and we were in that same part of the lake where weird things happen...So it seems to me anyway and to answer your question, that as long as the keel stays on,, it won't go all the way over anyway. There is 850 lbs of steel under the boat trying to make up for your mistakes
It was good for Pam to see that we could recover from that type of occurance, and by the third time she would roll her eyes and then go below to clean up...Billy
In a word, yes. You can reduce a negligible amount of drag by cranking it up when sailing off of the wind. On a reach or upwind, she'll be more tender, won't point as well, and will have more leeward slippage. I've also found that when one of your 230 lb crew walk around on the boat with the keel up, it can make for a a bit of excitement as well. It's not unsafe though, the ballast is still there. Swinging down the keel is more for improved sailing characteristics than safety. She will self right with the keel up. I leave mine most of the way down at all times though.
1977 C22: Dog House
John K is right on.
If you watch video of the guys in smaller race boats they'll raise the keel on all there downwind tracks to some degree, all the way when the wind is coming over the stern, it reduces drag, but ya, you'll get all rocky rolly and have trouble into the wind and sideslip a whole bunch...
Even stopped for lunch you'll notice a lot more movement with the keel up, it raises the CG (think thats what it reffered to as??) of the boat so it doesn't take much change in weight placement to heel the boat some to compensate...
If you watch video of the guys in smaller race boats they'll raise the keel on all there downwind tracks to some degree, all the way when the wind is coming over the stern, it reduces drag, but ya, you'll get all rocky rolly and have trouble into the wind and sideslip a whole bunch...
Even stopped for lunch you'll notice a lot more movement with the keel up, it raises the CG (think thats what it reffered to as??) of the boat so it doesn't take much change in weight placement to heel the boat some to compensate...
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Nah, The 22 is a pretty solid boat.
remember on keel boats they generally do not get blown over and upsidedown. The further the sail goes over the more the wind is spilled and less power is aplied. Once you have been knocked down as Billy described, she'll slowly right herself.
One thing of thought though. When sailing in these conditions, you should leave at least your bottom board in. If it is really rough or if Billy is sailing you should leave all the boards in and close the hatch. Latch it in place.
This'll prevent most of the water entering the boat and the cocpit will drain itself quickly out the back and not into the boat.
Pam will love you even more Billy if you do this one thing!! LOL!
Scott
FWIW: Most keel boats that go all they way over were rolled by waves not blown over by wind.
remember on keel boats they generally do not get blown over and upsidedown. The further the sail goes over the more the wind is spilled and less power is aplied. Once you have been knocked down as Billy described, she'll slowly right herself.
One thing of thought though. When sailing in these conditions, you should leave at least your bottom board in. If it is really rough or if Billy is sailing you should leave all the boards in and close the hatch. Latch it in place.
This'll prevent most of the water entering the boat and the cocpit will drain itself quickly out the back and not into the boat.
Pam will love you even more Billy if you do this one thing!! LOL!
Scott
FWIW: Most keel boats that go all they way over were rolled by waves not blown over by wind.