6hp for C-26???

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:22 pm

OK, I think I already know the answer, but I just became aware of the Tohatsu 6hp "Sail Pro" motor. The price is right, it has 25" shaft and charging capability (5A). I also know that the old Chrysler Sailor 280 (12hp) was really overkill.

So, does anyone have experience with a 6hp on a C-26?

If not the Sail Pro, I'm leaning heavily towards the Suzuki 9.9 Power Tilt/High Thrust. Being an old car guy I like idea of getting more torque by increasing displacement and the power tilt would be nice for Cathy.

John K · Post by **John K** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:34 pm

If it were my personal choice, and I had a 26, I think that I would opt for the 9.9. If/when you are facing a bit of current, the extra 3.9 hp could give you that extra edge. I just put an old (early 80's) Honda 7.5 on my 22. Man that thing is heavy for a 7.5. I worry about the stress it seems to put on the transom. I assume the newer ones are much lighter.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:31 pm

I bought that same engine, and I wish I hadn't. I like the fuel economy, and the extra long shaft, but it shakes BAD. It makes the whole boat resonate like is a friking blender.

Also, there's a flaw design. When you tilt the motor out of the water, and if the water is rough, the level will get stuck in a couple of wholes.

I gotta take a picture to show you, but its a pain in the ass. Mine got stuck after a rough night at anchor, and I couldn't lower the motor into the water. I had to lift the engine out of the boat mount (all this while in the water) take it apart, fix it, then lower the engine again in the bracket... very stressful day. When I contacted Tohatsu, they pretty much said 'Oh well, we don't care'

I wish I still had my 9.9 Mercury with electric start.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:44 pm

I took the picture, let me upload it.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:45 pm

See the marks in the mount? That's where the level got stuck and it would not come out!

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:46 am

Gus,
Thanks for the detailed, first hand account. I was really hoping to hear about how any 6hp works on our boats, but experience with this particular motor is even better. Looks like the Suzuki for me.

EmergencyExit · Post by **EmergencyExit** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:16 am

EE originally had a old 4.5HP and it wasn't enough to push her much above a no wake speed in any current. Not sure how it would compare to a newer 6HP of course.

Personally I like my old Sailor 280 as far as power and torque goes - weight is too much, of course.

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:41 am

The Sailor 280 was a fine motor and much lighter than a new 9.9, but alas, mine went to the big boat in the sky. Parts are getting pretty scarce for them, so stock up on anything you think you may need.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:10 am

I was really happy with my 9.9 Mercury. The dual cylinders make for a much smoother ride. I have heard good things about the Tohatsu 9.9 too, but I can't vouch for it.

Banshi · Post by **Banshi** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:35 am

Yep gus, the rough running of a single cylinder is my main issue as well.I still have my 7.5 and those twins sure run a lot smoother. I'm not sure I buy that it has to be that way. I have seen some modifications that help the especially rough idle out but I don't have the nerve to try it yet. Mine has not got stuck like yours though but it can be a booger to tilt up and down.

hotdot · Post by **hotdot** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:24 pm

I have a 2001 Nissan 9.8 2-stroke with the 25" shaft on my C-26 and have never had a problem with it. It has always started and ran perfectly while pushing the boat at hull speed. I did have (and ALL BRANDS OF MOTORS WILL DO THIS) vibration when trying to push the boat past hull speed. The standard props that come with these small motors are designed for plaining type fishing boats. I eliminated any vibration problems and increased the potential for the motor to push the boat in bad weather by replacing the standard prop with a prop designed for heavy loads. My biggest concern was that my fuel consumption would rise but it did'nt because the motor wasnt working as hard to achieve hull speed. If it sounds like I am a fan of this type of motor for a C-26 you would be right!

Alanhod · Post by **Alanhod** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:02 pm

NYCSAILOR · Post by **NYCSAILOR** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:27 am

don't do it,,

I replaced my OEM chrysler outboard with a suzuki 9.9 4-stroke high thrust, with a big 3-blade prop etc.. it is a good kicker to get in/out of the marina but it has a hell of time fighting a current,so you can't really motor too well even with the 9.9 horsies... also prop does tend to come out of water when hobby horsing...

NYCSAILOR · Post by **NYCSAILOR** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:55 am

funny,

the OEM brochure specs a 7.5 HP inboard diesel. seems woefully underpowered.

John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:03 pm

NYC, please keep in mind that a diesel has a LOT more torque, especially at lower RPMs, than a gasoline engine. That torque allows for higher gearing on the shaft output. More rotations of the prop per engine RPMs. You might be surprised how well a 7.5hp diesel would perform in that application.

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:52 pm

NYC,
The SuzyQ I'm looking at has a 25" shaft so it should stay in the water as well as the old Chrysler did. The Power Tilt/High Thrust Suzies feature a bigger engine (302cc displacement, same as most 15hp). I like the idea of a bigger, slower running engine instead of the smaller engine, lower gearing solution used by Merc, Honda and Yamaha. It comes with a 10x5 prop, which should get the job done.

I suspect the Suzie is really their 15hp with a lower rev limit. Possibly some other tweaks, but maybe not.

Tohatsu doesn't seem to offer a high thrust setup off the shelf.

You can see it here: http://www.newoutboards.com/Suzuki-9-9- ... 9TXK9.html

BTW, this is a pretty active motor thread for a bunch of sailing junkies.

DParker · Post by **DParker** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:54 pm

tgentry wrote:NYC,
The SuzyQ I'm looking at has a 25" shaft so it should stay in the water as well as the old Chrysler did. The Power Tilt/High Thrust Suzies feature a bigger engine (302cc displacement, same as most 15hp). I like the idea of a bigger, slower running engine instead of the smaller engine, lower gearing solution used by Merc, Honda and Yamaha. It comes with a 10x5 prop, which should get the job done.

I suspect the Suzie is really their 15hp with a lower rev limit. Possibly some other tweaks, but maybe not.

Tohatsu doesn't seem to offer a high thrust setup off the shelf.

You can see it here: http://www.newoutboards.com/Suzuki-9-9- ... 9TXK9.html

BTW, this is a pretty active motor thread for a bunch of sailing junkies.

That looks extremely attractive. Does anyone know if it will fit on/in the oem stern hole on the 26 when tilted?

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:05 pm

I don't believe any of the four strokes will fit in the opening, and this one being bigger displacement appears to have a little bigger cowl than most.

The choices are to enlarge the opening or make the motor sit farther back. I have a plan for putting the motor farther back but I'm waiting to get my motor to figure out how far it needs to go.

DParker · Post by **DParker** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:05 pm

tgentry wrote:OK, I think I already know the answer, but I just became aware of the Tohatsu 6hp "Sail Pro" motor. The price is right, it has 25" shaft and charging capability (5A). I also know that the old Chrysler Sailor 280 (12hp) was really overkill.

Is this what you are referring too?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu- ... S6BUL.html

Will this one tilt into the oem transom hole?

What about this one?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu- ... EFTUL.html

The extra $1000 gets you electric start, power tilt, and a bigger engine...by it won't tilt into the oem hole...right?

tgentry · Post by **tgentry** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:50 am

I don't know if the 6hp will fit in the hole, but it sounds problematic due to vibration and the jamming tilt issue. I might be able to solve the tilt issue, but a single cylinder four stroke is going to vibrate a lot, no way around that.

It's my understanding that NONE of the modern 9.x motors will fit without modification.

NYCSAILOR · Post by **NYCSAILOR** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:33 pm

that is what I have .. the 9.9 Suzuki 4-stroke long shaft with electric start..

I had the OEM sailor 280 with eclectric start and it became undependable.

I have it on an aftermarket arelick OB mount.

What I like.. it works !

nice electric start..., quiet, ez on fuel, high output alternator. no smoke, no mixing oil/gas

What I don't like...
way too heavy
shaft not long enough
it is color black ( I have a white boat)
head is too large
can't tiltit the head the wrong way on its side 9 storage) or all the oil leaks out and makes a mess.

VERY INTERESTING INFO ON THE diesel and I am seriously considering installing the OEM inboard diesel. I already have teh OEM saildrive and thinking about what to use as a powerplant, OEM volvo or a yanmar...

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